On Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:53 AM, "The Uninvited Co., Inc"
<uninvited(a)nerstrand.net> wrote:
> > The WikBack is advertising free. I am paying the hosting fees out of my
> > own pocket.
> >
> > Please consider participating.
> >
> > http://www.wikback.com
As a noncommercial forum, it would make more sense to put it in a
.org address, like Wikipedia itself.
(I think I played some role in convincing the Wikipedia Weekly
podcast people to switch from .com to .org with their own site.)
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:31:11 +0000, "David Gerard"
<dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> With [[List of big bust models and performers]] as the #1
> non-navigational hit for December.
So I suppose that any proposal to delete that article would be, ahem,
a big bust.
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:28:41 -0600, "Majdan, Nik" <nmajdan(a)aplmc.com>
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Disclaimers like this are quite ridiculous in postings to public
mailing lists.
On another mail-format-related issue, some people are failing to do
any trimming whatsoever to the quoted material they're replying to;
one recent thread has resulted in a message with an astounding eight
copies of the list footer, interspersed between a hodgepodge of top
and bottom posted replies.
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Yesterday I opened a discussion forum called "The WikBack" for public
use. It is intended to be an alternative to wikien-l for those who
prefer the organization and participation style of a web-based forum.
You do not need to register to read posts. Registration is available to
anyone who has an account on ENWP.
The WikBack is advertising free. I am paying the hosting fees out of my
own pocket.
Please consider participating.
http://www.wikback.com
UninvitedCompany
79 desysops..bah..I bet we will have over 100 de-sysops in 2008..Most
admins quit /leave for two reasons..1 being that they are really stressed
and need to relax so temp wikibreak and secondly, they didn't anticipate
that being an admin means so much work and so they give up because they
can't really cope with the rising number of editors/vandals and "wikidrama"
(f or some )..Cometstyles..
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> 1. Re: De-sysoppings in the year of 2007 (Ray Saintonge)
> 2. Re: Wired predictions, 2008 (Ray Saintonge)
> 3. Re: New arbitrators named (Ray Saintonge)
> 4. Re: De-sysoppings in the year of 2007 (David Gerard)
> 5. Re: [WikiEn-L] Interesting fact (Mathias Schindler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:52:18 -0800
> From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] De-sysoppings in the year of 2007
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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> Jonathan (Wikipedia) wrote:
> > Majorly wrote:
> >
> >> Admins are allowed to get tired of it. They aren't forced to do
> anything. It
> >> can be very stressful.
> >>
> > Yet again, I understand that side of the story. But admins who retire
> > because of a grudge against another user is nonsensical to me.
> Maybe so, but then that's their problem, not yours.
>
> Ec
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:02:19 -0800
> From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wired predictions, 2008
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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> Nathan wrote:
> > I foresee a long trial with many evidentiary hearings, and an
> > exploration into the 'body' of work we could draw from to see if there
> > are any other fair use images!
> If the breasts are in the pub[l]ic domain, fair use restrictions may not
> apply.
>
> Ec
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:10:17 -0800
> From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] New arbitrators named
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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> Nathan wrote:
> > Following up on this:
> >
> > If the new slates take effect on Jan 1, and new arbs aren't
> > necessarily considered active on current cases from 2007, what happens
> > on Jan 1 to former arbs involved in still active cases? Especially
> > where they voted to accept a particular case, voted at
> > [[WP:RFAR/proposed decision]], etc.? Presumably, these cases will lack
> > a quorum to make a decision if new arbs don't join?
> What would make sense would be for the retiring arbiters to continue
> participating in cases where they are already participating until tha
> cases are decided.
> They just would not be able to get inolved in new ones.
>
> Ec
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:59:01 +0000
> From: "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] De-sysoppings in the year of 2007
> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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> On 28/12/2007, Jonathan (Wikipedia) <jonathan.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > AGK wrote:
>
> > > Similarly, nothing new. Wikipedia's expanding, so is the number of
> > > desysoppings. We've got better things to worry about, surely. AGK
>
> > Yes, I understand that Wikipedia gets more admins with time. But this
> > year had a massive jump in desysops. THAT'S why I'm getting worried.
>
>
> After long complaints that it was almost impossible to get bad admins
> removed, they're now getting removed with reasonable efficiency.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:51:42 +0100
> From: "Mathias Schindler" <mathias.schindler(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] [WikiEn-L] Interesting fact
> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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> On Dec 27, 2007 12:45 AM, Nachman <nachman.chayal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Additionally, it turns out that if intelligence employees have their
> names
> > published on a site like Wikipedia (even without a connection to their
> > position) they are dismissed or transferred to a public position (i.e .
> > public relations).
>
> Nice way of getting rid of a superior who is occupying a job you envy.
>
> Mathias
>
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Cometstyles
There was a recent ANI post about a user who identifies himself as a
peodophile (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#Pro_pedophile_advocacy_userbox ).
His userbox has been deleted. I'd like to know where we stand in relation to
peadophiles. Any thoughts or opinions on this subject? I know it's
difficult, but we really need some kind of policy about this.
Phoenix-wiki
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:56:05 -0800 (PST), Ken Arromdee
<arromdee(a)rahul.net> wrote:
> Well, then it's equivalent to "never ban users". Do we want a policy of
> "never ban users"?
I would actually support that... I think the concept of banning (as
opposed to blocking) is not particularly compatible with the
principles on which Wikipedia is supposedly run. Blocking is a
pragmatic move to attempt to stop (or at least put a speed bump in
front of) sprees of vandalism or other abuse or disruption, whether
caused by people being evil, insane, trollish, immature, angry, or
drunk. Since some of these conditions are capable of going away when
the person involved calms down, sobers up, reforms, matures, etc.,
there's no need for a permanent judgment against the person involved
if they're no longer doing whatever was causing problems before.
Banning is an attempt to impose a "crime and punishment" model that
does not fit comfortably into Wikipedia policy. It's taken to
excessive extremes by some fire-breathing admins who insist that any
ideas that can be seen as originating with a banned user need to be
vigorously suppressed even when a user in good standing suggests
them.
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