Lir wrote:
>My point wasn't so much to do with his personal beliefs;
>but rather, to point out that by stating his name on the
>wiki-en; mav has allowed me to know a great deal of
>information about Hubley, some of which Im sure he
>would rather not be so available.
And your use of his full name in the subject field along with your research on
him wasn't the same thing but at a greater level? His name has already been
used on meta and as 24 on an article's talk page in Wikipedia. It was also
discussed on my talk page way back. Besides there is no right to privacy on
the Internet.
I stated in my post that it should be deleted if it was deemed inappropriate.
Which now I think it should be because it provoked the creation of an article
on the subject which is distracting nonsense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Hubley
By Louis Kyu Won Ryu (is that you Lir?)
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Lir wrote:
>It is easy enough, if you so desire, to search the internet
>and obtain his phone, fax, email, associates, friends, resume,
>education, personal correspondence, home address, and
>place of employment.
So in other words he is now in the same boat as you, me, Jimbo and anybody
else here whose real name is known. What is your point Adam? I certainly do
not want to harass him or get into his personal life. I just want him to
leave us to leave us alone or at least stop the behavior which repeatedly
gets him hard banned.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
My point wasn't so much to do with his personal beliefs; but rather, to point out that by stating his name on the wiki-en; mav has allowed me to know a great deal of information about Hubley, some of which Im sure he would rather not be so available.
That was posted to the wrong list. Sorry. Respond to
Wikitech-l if so interested (actually the thread is
really more appropriate to wikimedia-l, but that list
does not exist yet).
--mav
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Jimbo wrote:
>And images.wikimedia.org would be a project
>unto itself, so to speak, where images are
>collected (perhaps automatically) and copied
>from the other projects, and given neutral
>captions, and entered into a big image library.
>The rules for inclusion in *this* would be very
>strict, not relying on fair use. All images
>would have to be public domain or GNU FDL or
>something compatible.
I like that idea! But just replace
"images.wikimedia.org" with either
"files.wikimedia.org" or "multimedia.wikimedia.org"
(since we want more than just images), and replace
"project" with "sub-project" (since its resources
would be used by all projects - like meta). This also
preserves the per wiki upload utility which would be
oddly disabled for Wikimedia projects under my plan
but would still be needed by non-Wikimedia projects
that use MediaWiki (thus there would be little
Wikimedia developer interest to maintain that
functionality). But there would need to be a prominent
mention and link to the multimedia file database on
every Wikimedia project's upload special page.
Something like "You can use this page to upload
multimedia files from your harddrive. But you may also
want to visit [our multimedia file database] to see if
a similar file is already there."
Then when the much-talked-about upload form is
enacted, the software could automatically copy
anything tagged as PD or under a free content license
to the Wikimedia database. Anything marked as "fair
use" or "special permission" would just reside on the
wiki's own upload space.
>And then if people needed an image for something,
>they could just copy it from there.
Why copy when you can export! :) There could be an
"Export this <filetype> to the [<language>]
[<Wikimedia project>]" as <file name>.<ext>" (it would
also be neat if it showed everywhere in Wikimedialand
where it is being used). Oh and anything exported to a
different file name should not create a copy of the
same file at the Wikimedia file database under a
different name. Category tags can also be used here as
well (that would help with searching).
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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Jimbo wrote:
>There seems to be a trend lately of people writing
>to me personally to complain about articles.
>
>I'm half joking here, but possibly we should have a
>link "Complain about this article". But when
>people click on it, we say "Hey, don't complain,
>get involved! Go back and click 'edit this page'.
>But first, please read _this_, _that_, and _the
>other_ to understand what's going on around here."
Well your email is listed as the main contact on the
donation page, so that may explain why (as soon as we
have a Wikimedia-l mailing list I'll switch your email
address with that). What is needed is for us to
replace 'Bug reports' in the sidebar with 'Contact
us'. Then we can have a direct link to the mailing
list (and also some text telling people to use
'discuss this page' to comment on articles). Of course
a list admin will have to approve the email for
listing, but once that is done then anybody can answer
the post.
That is how we do things at Wikibooks anyway.
http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Contact_us
Oh, and if this is implemented then I volunteer to
help with enwiki-l list admin tasks.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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RickK wrote:
>There's a war going on as to what to call the Elizabeth Smart article.
>It can't be just [[Elizabeth Smart]], because that's a disambiguation page.
>It can't be [[Elizabeth Anne Smart]] because she isn't known by her middle
>name. It was at [[Elizabeth Smart (kidnap victim)]] yesterday, but is now
>at [[Elizabeth Smart (2000s media sensation)]] , which, IMHO, is not only
>offensive to her, but a ridiculous name.
Using a person's middle name or initial is a natural way to disambiguate and
therefore acceptable ([[George W. Bush]]/[[George H. W. Bush]]). [[Elizabeth
Smart (kidnap victim)]] would be my second choice. The 'media sensation' one
has got to go, though.
I see the article is at [[Elizabeth Smart (kidnap victim)]] right now, so I'm
happy with that.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
----- Forwarded message from "Dr. David Hersh" <Dr_Sex(a)telus.net> -----
From: "Dr. David Hersh" <Dr_Sex(a)telus.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:37:38 -0800
To: jwales(a)bomis.com
Subject: Wikipedia
I'm not thrilled to see the following from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexology#History_of_the_study_of_sex
"Sexology is the systematic study of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//wiki/Human_sexuality>human sexuality. It
encompasses all aspects of sexuality, including:
*
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//w/wiki.phtml?title=Sex_addiction&action=edit>Sex<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//w/wiki.phtml?title=Sex_addiction&action=edit>
addiction "
I would say that most of us who identify as sexologist do not use the above
terminology. I cite the following from the eminent Dr. Charles Moser,
"Addiction is a physiological dependence. When alcoholics stop drinking,
they get the sweats, their heart rate goes up, their reflexes increase,
etc. They can even develop the DT's. Heroin addicts have their own
withdrawal syndrom, but again it involves physiological changes (I do not
mean to imply that there are not psychological changes as well.). If sex
"addicts" are denied sex, they may have all sorts of psychological
problems, but they do not go into a physiological
withdrawal. FYI,addiction is not listed in the DSM-IV, it is called
dependence."
Please eliminate this category and stop perpetuating a false condition.
David Hersh
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David S. Hersh, Ed.D., FAACS
Clinical Sexologist
http://Doctor-Sex.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
----- End forwarded message -----
There seems to be a trend lately of people writing to me personally to
complain about articles.
I'm half joking here, but possibly we should have a link "Complain
about this article". But when people click on it, we say "Hey, don't
complain, get involved! Go back and click 'edit this page'. But
first, please read _this_, _that_, and _the other_ to understand
what's going on around here."
The reason I'm only half-joking is that it's actually better for
people with ideologically-based complaints to just send me email,
which I pass along for us to try to accomodate in an NPOV manner, than
to futher encourage partisans to get involved.
----- Forwarded message from MINDBOMB <m.bomb(a)verizon.net> -----
From: "MINDBOMB" <m.bomb(a)verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:17:32 -0500
To: <jwales(a)bomis.com>
Subject: wikipedia
checking something today and found the link I put there
under Islam external links
picture and text about the victims of Islam was removed
http://fruitofislam.com
this site is culled almost entirely from the haddith and the Koran and from
statements from spokespersons for Islam also studied refutations from
scholars. there are also links to current events concerning Islam like the
recent statements from the PM of Malaysia
I would like to reedit this entry to allow people the opportunity to read
the quotes that show the politically incorrect side of Islam.
there are refutation of Islam from ex PLO trained terrorists who left Islam
behind.
This one topic "Islam"is by far the most crucial subject concerning the
future of terrorism and peace and it is unwise to allow it to sit there
without allowing some of the facts to be illuminated.
I could begin to edit in the dozens of derogatory suras concerning killing
pedophile rape but these are
inflammatory and expose Islam for what it is Nazism
but I'm satisfied to leave the one link there it seems childish to have to
constantly re-update this particular page as you have come to know.
so let me know how to proceed and to what extent. thanks
----- End forwarded message -----