Thanks for the detailed explanation. Now I got the current implementation.
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Michael Hale <hale.michael.jr(a)live.com>wrote;wrote:
We may eventually add statements to the items for
templates, but none of
our current properties make sense for them.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties
However, the Infobox film template is included in 76000 articles. Each of
those articles has an item on Wikidata that will have statements for the
properties we support. After the property inclusion syntax is supported on
the English Wikipedia, when {{Infobox film}} is rendered it will copy all
of the text from the template. Then it will see that the template contains
templates, so the appropriate text will be included for them. It will know
which item to find the property on at this point because the context is
established.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template#Nesting_templates
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:28:31 +0800
From: zhjyong(a)gmail.com
To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I'm little confused here: I mean that in a template wikidata page such as
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, will we add statements in it? It
is like a meta-data (schema) in a template. Such as, in the above page, we
may add a statement as:
label: Directed by
data: {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}
Then for every reference of that template in an article (such as,
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189), we don't need to specify director
attribute again. It will first get that meta-data from statements in the
page
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, and then automatically get
property p57's value for Q217189.
I'm not sure if there is such mechanism existing or not. Or does it make
sense to have such mechanism?
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Michael Hale <hale.michael.jr(a)live.com>wrote;wrote:
The data will be in the Wikidata pages (called items). It will be in the
items for the articles, not the template.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189 The mechanism has already launched
on some Wikipedias. It will be on all of them soon. Details are here.
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0800
From: zhjyong(a)gmail.com
To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I think that I haven't got it completely:
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Michael Hale <hale.michael.jr(a)live.com>wrote;wrote:
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull
data from Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on
Wikidata is fairly complete you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of
the article and everything will work as expected. They can click the link
at the bottom of the article to go to the item on Wikidata and update the
values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and other
language versions of the article, the information will be automatically
updated. To do this means changing in the template where it says:
| label1 = Directed by
| data1 = {{{director|}}}
to say:
| label1 = Directed by
| data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}
Will such data be in that template's wikitext or we will put them as a
statement in its wikidata page (such as, a statement in
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351)? If it is in that template's
wikitext, then for {{Infobox film}} in an article, in order to render it
correctly, we have to also read that template page (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film), isn't it?
And when will such mechanism be launched?
Thanks.
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film
director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.
As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once
the transition has more momentum to see what types of items use a template.
You can already see what pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm
not sure what the best workflow would be for this. I can imagine that
eventually it would be awesome if I have some information about a new movie
coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am writing the
article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So
then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical
templates used in a film article to the article text and then shows part of
the Wikidata UI to specify the properties that most films have. Then when I
click save it could automatically add the appropriate statements to
Wikidata at the same time I create the article.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800
From: zhjyong(a)gmail.com
To: Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For
example, for
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has
interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata
project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and
how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
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