I would suggest you are thinking from the wrong perspective. Think specific, and work your way from there. On the English Wikipedia, there are tons of lists which each have their own set of rules for list items. This makes a specific query much easier, tied to the list item on Wikidata. For example, take a look at this list which uses a motley crew of references to keep redlinks from being deleted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flemish_painters Wikidata has well filled items for most of those redlinks, for which articles could be created using the PrepBio tool: http://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/prepbio.php On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Hoi, For the list "Flemish surrealist painters" there is no intersection between "Flemish painter" or with "Surrealist painters". That list is in and of itself an article in a Wikipedia. In Wikidata you want the two properties separate so that you can be surprised with who fits in a list. It is not deterministic. Thanks, GerardM On 1 January 2015 at 13:23, Thomas Douillard &lt;thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Mmm I'm not sure we are talking of the initial subject anymore. Placeholder and queries are (will be) generic tools. The idea that a WikiTemplate can be used to generate a stub article is also generic, and Wikibase works as a very generic level. The fact that a list article can potentially generated by a query is also true. The fact that several list article can countain link to the same article is also true. This imply that, if you map a template to a query and want to generate a stub article for a Wikipedian that search a subject that as no article with this template and the information that are on Wikidata about that subject, you might have several candidate template that the system would be aware of. For example if he searches is a scientist there is several infobox that could fit, the person infobox or the scientist one. The scientist infobox is the most specific one but we need a way in the generic placeholder article with this template in priority, assuming the idea is the rigth one of course. 2015-01-01 17:02 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell &lt;jane023(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Hi, I exposed my view of how placeholder articles should work in a page where you contributed, maybe you did not read it as you are not really fond of the idea, see this diff <https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Article_placeholder_input&diff=prev&oldid=184600147 . Templates in a wikimedian context are wikitemplates like infobox, those who are defined in the "Template:" namespace in mediawiki wikis. They are used to generate infoboxes, they could as well be used to generate placeholder articles, think of code like "Template:stub human template" {{property:name}} is a person of {{property:country}} {{infobox person}} to generate a stub article for people with no Wikipedia article, pretty much like Reasonator does. But there may be several templates of that kind who could generate stub articles. The idea is that a way to select the appropriate template for some kind of items is to use Wikibase queries. For example to say that if the item is in the result set of the query "all instances of human'', then the template "Template:stub human template" is appropriate to generate the stub article. 2015-01-01 18:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: > Hoi, > You do not make sense to me. A query is something I understand. What you > are saying about templates and list articles is very much "wishful > thinking". It bears no relation to anything I know. > I really wonder how universal or practical your ideas are. To me it seems > very one dimensional and very much in line with article thinking. What are > templates for you. Where are they defined?? > Thanks, > GerardM > On 1 January 2015 at 18:25, Thomas Douillard &lt;thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Mmm I'm not sure we are talking of the initial subject anymore. >>> Placeholder and queries are (will be) generic tools. The idea that a >> WikiTemplate can be used to generate a stub article is also generic, and >> Wikibase works as a very generic level. >>> The fact that a list article can potentially generated by a query is >> also true. The fact that several list article can countain link to the same >> article is also true. >>>> This imply that, if you map a template to a query and want to generate a >> stub article for a Wikipedian that search a subject that as no article with >> this template and the information that are on Wikidata about that subject, >> you might have several candidate template that the system would be aware of. >>> For example if he searches is a scientist there is several infobox that >> could fit, the person infobox or the scientist one. The scientist infobox >> is the most specific one but we need a way in the generic placeholder >> article with this template in priority, assuming the idea is the rigth one >> of course. >>> 2015-01-01 17:02 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell &lt;jane023(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: >>>> not to mention the simple fact that Wikidata has way more Flemish >>> painters than are in the English Wikipedia's list, for example just look at >>> this query for painters born in Antwerp: >>>>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=claim%5B106%3A1028181%5D… >>>>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> Hoi, >>>> For the list "Flemish surrealist painters" there is no intersection >>>> between "Flemish painter" or with "Surrealist painters". That list is in >>>> and of itself an article in a Wikipedia. In Wikidata you want the two >>>> properties separate so that you can be surprised with who fits in a list. >>>> It is not deterministic. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>>>>> On 1 January 2015 at 13:23, Thomas Douillard < >>>> thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> I don't think so. There always be intersections beetween lists. One >>>>> of the Flemish painter might also be in the list of surrealist painters. >>>>>>>>> 2014-12-30 14:41 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell &lt;jane023(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: >>>>>>>>>> I would suggest you are thinking from the wrong perspective. Think >>>>>> specific, and work your way from there. On the English Wikipedia, there are >>>>>> tons of lists which each have their own set of rules for list items. This >>>>>> makes a specific query much easier, tied to the list item on Wikidata. For >>>>>> example, take a look at this list which uses a motley crew of references to >>>>>> keep redlinks from being deleted: >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flemish_painters >>>>>>>>>>> Wikidata has well filled items for most of those redlinks, for which >>>>>> articles could be created using the PrepBio tool: >>>>>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/prepbio.php >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Douillard < >>>>>> thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, I got an open question about Wikidata concepts, partly related >>>>>>> to the idea of selecting a templates wrt. a query for placeholder articles. >>>>>>>>>>>>> One question about this idea is : what to do when several templates >>>>>>> are possible for an item, for example the item with no article is in the >>>>>>> result set of several queries associated with article stubs templates, say: >>>>>>> * the query "anything", that could be associated with a totally >>>>>>> generic templates that shows a Wikibase page like article templates that >>>>>>> shows all the claims about this item >>>>>>> * a more specific query "living organism" >>>>>>> * another even more specific query like "animal" >>>>>>> * ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> In this example each more specific query results is obviously a >>>>>>> subset of each more generic one. In such cases it could be useful to choose >>>>>>> the template of the most specific one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the same spirit of the "subclass of" property we can create (or >>>>>>> reuse it) for the queries. But as no property has in Wikibase itself a >>>>>>> meaning, this means the choice of the template would not be possible using >>>>>>> raw Wikibase concepts, which partly breaks the interests of the idea. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts about this problem ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, TomT0m >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Generated a grammatically correct same meaning sentence in all language in the planet automatically is way more difficult than finding a user that will write a template is his own language. _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Generated a grammatically correct same meaning sentence in all language in the planet automatically is way more difficult than finding a user that will write a template is his own language. _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l