Hi Amir, On 14 August 2013 16:22, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: Cool! This surprises me, as this was not an issue during the Amsterdam hackathon - and we used rewrite! However, we used a nightly instead of git, which might explain at least part of the difference. What was the audience (how experienced with wikipedia as writer / AWB / ..., running windows or linux, etc), and how did they install and configure pwb? Maarten (multichill) has suggested we change setup.py and This is certainly an option. Maybe Dr.Trigon can suggest something in this direction - the current method of downloading dependencies/externals when needed is reasonable, I think. Alternatively, I'd like to suggest nightlies as main distribution method. At least the core nightly is completely self-contained: it has translations *and* httplib2 (the only required external library). For most people, that would be the easiest way of installing pywikibot. When someone doesn't install i18n submodule. Codes breaks (error that says It's impossible to run a bot without i18n submodule, because *all* translations are in the translation file, also the English version! The code only knows the key (e.g. 'commons-file-moved', not '[[:File:%(localfile)s|File]] moved to [[:commons:File:%(commonsfile)s|commons]].'). Best, Merlijn _______________________________________________ Pywikipedia-l mailing list Pywikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/pywikipedia-l

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15.08.2013 01:48, Alex Brollo wrote: Yes that's a problem. In fact that are numerous problems: 1.) If you start considering Labs you could be suspected not to support TS anymore but Labs... ;) 2.) I am looking into this since quite some time, check e.g. [1] but first needed some changes on the framework code (they are mostly finished now) and also more progress on the Labs side (which should be ok now too - had no time to check) 3.) I am up to start setting up more bots on Labs, BUT I have a huge lack in time because of; Wikidata startup (not completely finished yet), SVN->GIT Migration (still an issue - at least for me), Labs, ... [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/DrTrigonBot I am trying hard to dig myself out of all the work in order to focus on Labs... any help and thoughts are greatly appreciated and needed. _______________________________________________ Pywikipedia-l mailing list Pywikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/pywikipedia-l

Hi Amir, On 14 August 2013 16:22, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: Cool! This surprises me, as this was not an issue during the Amsterdam hackathon - and we used rewrite! However, we used a nightly instead of git, which might explain at least part of the difference. What was the audience (how experienced with wikipedia as writer / AWB / ..., running windows or linux, etc), and how did they install and configure pwb? They were from different kind of expertise from new to wikipedia to

Maarten (multichill) has suggested we change setup.py and This is certainly an option. Maybe Dr.Trigon can suggest something in this direction - the current method of downloading dependencies/externals when needed is reasonable, I think. Alternatively, I'd like to suggest nightlies as main distribution method. At least the core nightly is completely self-contained: it has translations *and* httplib2 (the only required external library). For most people, that would be the easiest way of installing pywikibot.

When someone doesn't install i18n submodule. Codes breaks (error that It's impossible to run a bot without i18n submodule, because *all* translations are in the translation file, also the English version! The code only knows the key (e.g. 'commons-file-moved', not '[[:File:%(localfile)s|File]] moved to [[:commons:File:%(commonsfile)s|commons]].').

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The biggest issue was we couldn't get reach to user-cofnig.py (sometimes people try to install several clones).

I really prefer the old school in this field. We can store user-config in the clone (core) folder instead of .pywikibot

Nightly needs some fixations I don't Legoktm did it or not but we have to check it

Maarten (multichill) has suggested we change setup.py and generate_user_config.py and make a auto-generated list of needed dependencies (based on OS or other things) and ask user when he/she wants to install that which one you need! and install it right away. another suggestion (my idea) is an example: This is certainly an option. Maybe Dr.Trigon can suggest something in this direction - the current method of downloading dependencies/externals when needed is reasonable, I think.

Alternatively, I'd like to suggest nightlies as main distribution method. At least the core nightly is completely self-contained: it has translations *and* httplib2 (the only required external library). For most people, that would be the easiest way of installing pywikibot.

> As a feedback, It was very hard for newbies we have to work on > it

In fact this is something we have to discuss; what external libraries are *NEEDED*? E.g. in trunk articleno.py, subster_irc.py and in rewrite pywikibot.ircbot.py <http://pywikibot.ircbot.py> need "python-irclib". Or as another example, catimages.py needs a lot of externals like "opencv" and others. I tried to implement a "install-when-used" policy in order not to download hughe (~100MB) packages without needing them at all. But we REALLY SHOULD have some automated system in order to make it easier for beginners (and others) to install all the deps needed (when needed). > Can you give me a list of ALL of externals and which codes these > externals are used?