Thanks for the suggestion.  I already had an old version of Eclipse on my laptop, so I made an attempt to use that.  After a couple rounds of trying to get it updated to something that would run on my current OS and eventually getting trapped in JVM dependency hell, I swallowed my pride about installing a Microsoft product and gave VS Code a shot.  So far, it's working out pretty well.  There's a bit of a learning curve, but I'm getting there.

I'm a little surprised there's no easy way to pass one-off CLI flags into tests without mucking with config files, but this stackoverflow thread confirms that there really isn't.  I want to be able to run "pytest -s" to disable output capture, which is handy when debugging tests.  Oh, well, I've resorted to my old standby of sticking an "assert 0" in the test to force it to fail and generate a full dump :-)



On Nov 26, 2022, at 6:23 PM, William Avery <willm.avery@gmail.com> wrote:

I use VS Code on Linux, mainly because I have used the paid version of Visual Studio so much for work.

I have no complaints about the git integration, and it runs the pywikibot unit tests in a pretty way, displaying green ticks if you are lucky.

The debugger works without drama, and there is also a ton of professional level documentation such as https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/python/tutorial-flask

It is also quite helpful with autocomplete and refactoring.

I can't give any recent comparisons with other IDEs because, despite once being a bit of an open source zealot, I've been thoroughly snared by MS.

On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 at 20:47, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
I never thought I'd ever write this, but after close to 40 years of using emacs for everything, I'm thinking of switching to a real IDE for python development.  My latest evolution is emacs with elpy, which is pretty powerful as these things go, but I seem to spend more time configuring emacs and less time writing code than I want to.  I got clarity on this the other day when I was comparing the toolforge bastion hosts, the cloud VPS images, and the kubernetes back ends to see which versions of emacs each one had and realized this really was the tail wagging the dog.

I'm kind of in "big paradigm shift" mode right now.  Moving from Django to Flask.  From mwclient to pywikibot.  From unittest to pytest.  I guess since I'm reinventing the universe, I might as well look at editors too. Other than the basic syntax coloring and auto-completion, I'm looking for good integrations with running unit tests and with git.  I also need support for web technologies like HTML, jinja templates, and javascript in the same tool.

I've heard good things about Sublime, but never used it.  I'm not averse to purchasing a license if it's worth it.

 I've used Eclipse in the past for Java, and was pretty happy with that.  I gather that Eclipse + PyDev is pretty neat but never tried it.

I know a lot of people live in Jupyter, but that's not really my style.

What else should I be looking at?  What are folks out there using?
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