On 13 November 2015 at 05:16, James Alexander <jalexander@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org> wrote:
Were only the admin passwords compromised, or also the passwords of the list members (who can set a password to view the membership etc)? 

Lodewijk

All passwords were reset, including list member passwords. Because list member passwords can go through a "retrieve password" + they get periodic reminders automatically mass emails about those resets were not sent out however. (I believe we may be adding a note in the auto reminder about how they were reset... but not entirely sure, I will leave that for ops)

 
 
Hold on.  As a list administrator for 3 lists, I received emails to change the listadmin password for all three, and have done so and shared the new password with the rest of the list admins. 
 
However, as a list subscriber, I have yet to receive an email telling me that there is a forced password change for any WMF-based list to which I subscribe.  Some questions are in order about this element, which is not mentioned in the blog, and will affect tens of thousands of users.
 
I think that there are a lot of valid points being made about the inherent problem of having listadmin passwords that are not user-specific. At the same time, we should keep in mind that the core issue here is that a few listadmins appear to have used the same password for listadmin duties as they were using for other accounts.  All the password protection systems in the world are not going to change what happened here, if people are going to use obviously insecure, shared passwords as personal passwords as well. 
 
Risker/Anne