No, that's not appropriate, Gerard. Either it stays open or it gets moved to Incubator. It's not right to lock it and then leave it there so that no one else can decide to pick it up.

Steven White

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia Language team
      online meeting on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re: [x-post]
      Wikimedia Language team office hour and online meeting on March
      21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC] (Satdeep Gill)
   2. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (MarcoAurelio)
   3. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (Gerard Meijssen)


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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:32:39 +0530
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia
        Language team online meeting on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re:
        [x-post] Wikimedia Language team office hour and online meeting on
        March 21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC]
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On 20 March 2018 at 18:10, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>
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> Hi,
>
> In case you planned to come to this session, this was delayed to next week.
>
> The "unavoidable reason" is that I am not feeling well :)
>
> I do hope to see you there!
>
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> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Runa Bhattacharjee <rbhattacharjee@wikimedia.org>
> Date: 2018-03-20 14:09 GMT+02:00
> Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia Language team online meeting
> on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re: [x-post] Wikimedia Language team
> office hour and online meeting on March 21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC]
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List ‫‎<wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>‎‬,
> Wikimedia developers ‫‎<wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org>‎‬, Wikimedia &
> GLAM collaboration [Public] ‫‎<glam@lists.wikimedia.org>‎‬, MediaWiki
> internationalisation ‫‎<mediawiki-i18n@lists.wikimedia.org>‎‬
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> Hello,
>
> Due to unavoidable reasons, we have had to move this online session to
> next week, on 28th March 2018. The time will be same i.e. 1300 UTC. I will
> send a reminder ahead of the session. Meanwhile, please see the original
> announcement below for other details.
>
> Thanks, and apologies for this last minute change.
>
> regards
> Runa
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee <
> rbhattacharjee@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> [x-posted announcement]
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Wikimedia Foundation’s Language team would like to invite you for an
>> online office hour session scheduled for Wednesday, March 21st, 2018 at
>> 13:00 UTC. This will be an open session to talk about our work, and in
>> particular the changes to interlanguage links, which were recently
>> rolled-out on the English Wikipedia.
>>
>> The new option shows a list of up to 9 languages instead of a long list
>> that can have more than 200 items, and a panel with all the links that can
>> be looked up in any language using a search box. The purpose of this
>> feature is to make articles in all languages easier to find. We recently
>> published a blog post about this feature and the thoughts behind the
>> development:
>>
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.wikimedia.org%2F2018%2F03%2F08%2Fcompact-language-links-launch&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=X7YYvozk20%2Fx%2BH8f5eUQDoJq0h6X4iMvJW3pOMD0JCU%3D&reserved=0.
>>
>> This session is going to be an online discussion over Google
>> Hangouts/Youtube with a simultaneous IRC conversation. Due to the
>> limitation of Google Hangouts, only a limited number of participation slots
>> are available. Hence, do please let us know in advance if you would like to
>> join in the Hangout. The IRC channel will be open for interactions during
>> the session.
>>
>> Please read below for the event details, including local time, youtube
>> session links and do let us know if you have any questions.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Runa
>>
>> == Details ==
>>
>> # Event: Wikimedia Foundation Language office hour session
>>
>> # When: March 21st, 2018 (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC (check local time
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timeanddate.com%2Fworldclock%2Ffixedtime.html%3Fiso%3D20180321T1300&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=NgEQsr2IGJVM7549h476yigKJMMEyhQouUf%2FGEBECZ8%3D&reserved=0)
>>
>> # Where: and on IRC #wikimedia-office (Freenode) and
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>>
>> # Agenda:
>> Discussion about Compact Language Links, and Q & A.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Engineering Manager, Language (Contributors)
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:39:54 +0100
From: MarcoAurelio <strigiwm@gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks
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Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that is,
indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no users
interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock the
project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA.

2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:

> Hoi,
> As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this
> particular project I see his point but I do not see the need.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Malagasy Wikibooks
>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FProposals_for_closing_projects%2FClosure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=KhhzD701MD830kIOwjHF3ZpOS79NofrAu%2FYcO59Djg0%3D&reserved=0> on
>> Meta.
>>
>>
>> The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for about
>> ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on the
>> project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it is
>> better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them to
>> Incubator.
>>
>>
>> User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues
>> that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch,
>> and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people
>> in the community have responded: one user who really the only material
>> contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy
>> Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way.
>>
>>
>> I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as
>> being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to
>> many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some
>> other opinions about this.
>>
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:33:51 +0100
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks
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Hoi,
Having a project locked is different from having it moved to Incubator.. I
do not object to the project being locked.
Thanks,
     Gerard

On 21 March 2018 at 14:39, MarcoAurelio <strigiwm@gmail.com> wrote:

> Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that
> is, indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no
> users interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock
> the project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA.
>
> 2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this
>> particular project I see his point but I do not see the need.
>> Thanks,
>>      GerardM
>>
>> On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Malagasy Wikibooks
>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FProposals_for_closing_projects%2FClosure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=KhhzD701MD830kIOwjHF3ZpOS79NofrAu%2FYcO59Djg0%3D&reserved=0> on
>>> Meta.
>>>
>>>
>>> The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for
>>> about ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on
>>> the project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it
>>> is better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them
>>> to Incubator.
>>>
>>>
>>> User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues
>>> that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch,
>>> and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people
>>> in the community have responded: one user who really the only material
>>> contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy
>>> Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as
>>> being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to
>>> many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some
>>> other opinions about this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=AQAkb8ZAIUnRCYMDJFBwd3iXsPNo0kQPP9JIqt1bqNY%3D&reserved=0>
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