I understand. However, is there any movement currently that tries to get an ISO code? Otherwise, I think it would be clearer to mark it as rejected and say that people are welcome to open a new request when they have an ISO code (as we also did in similar cases).

2017-03-02 12:26 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>:
I would leave "on hold" status.

Unlike the most of Slavic languages, Slovenian varieties are very
distant between themselves. Speaker of standard Slovenian is not able
to understand a person speaking a Styrian variety in Maribor and
Prekmurian is even further to the east, belonging to the group of
Pannonian varieties

Not surprisingly, the issue of calling something a language or not is
a political issue and, at the best, such initiatives are just not
getting official support.

There are many of such cases, some of them are bizarre, while the most
of them are simply neglected.

In the case of varieties of Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and
Montenegrin, the situation is bizarre on multiple levels.

The whole area has four main varieties:
* Shtokavian
** Neo-Sthokavian
** Older Shtokavian
* Kaykavian
* Chakavian
* Shop / Torlakian (recognizes as "Prizren-Timok dialect", categorized
locally as "Old Shtokavian)

All of the ISO 639-3 recognized standards belong to the Neo-Shtokavian
group. Montenegrin, not recognized by ISO 639-3 is a mix of
Neo-Shtokavian and Older Shtokavian varieties (and, unlike three
recognized varieties, has two more distinctive letters/phonemes).

Not long ago, JAC has recognized Kaykavian. But the way it's been
recognized is bizarre. It is categorized as "historical" language,
although it's a living language. I even heard reasoning of one
Croatian linguist that Chakavian is not recognized because it doesn't
have "historical background", although it's a plain lie, as Chakavian
was written in it's own, specific Glagolitic script up to the
beginning of 20th century and is, as Kaykavian is, a living language.

Shop / Torlakian -- although both living and mutually non-intelligible
with the surrounding varieties of Serbian and Bulgarian -- doesn't
have ISO 639-3 code because of both being neglected (by both, Serbian
and Bulgarian side) as a kind of settled political issue related to
the border area ethnicity.

Having in mind that Montenegrin, the most distinctive variety of
Shtokavian standards, recognized as a native language by ~200,000
people, haven't passed JAC, while other three have been recognized,
that nobody cares about few hundred thousands speakers of Shop /
Torlakian, I have no doubt that one interested person (and I see that
his knowledge of English is not on particularly high level) can't push
recognition of his native variety to become an "officially recognized
language".

That's the reason for my suggestion to give them unlimited time to do
so. This is the case of completely valid language, which requires
inclusion into ISO 639-3 to be added into Wikimedia. As, according to
the present rules, we are not able to create "sla-prk" (as we did with
"bas-smg", which has been eventually recognized as "sgs"), I think
that we should simply leave it "on hold" and wait.



On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> As noted in Ethnologue, Prekmurian remains mentioned under Slovenian
> (https://www.ethnologue.com/language/slv), especially as the Slovenian
> dialect as spoken in Hungary. The historical literature written in
> Prekmurian, as argued about in the request discussion, is already included
> in sl:wp (cf.
> https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorija:Prekmurske_tiskane_knjige).
>
>
> On 02-Mar-17 03:55, MF-Warburg wrote:
>
> I propose to reject
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Prekmurian>.
> As noted on the page, there was a request to obtain an ISO code, but that
> was rejected in 2012.
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