Lizzy,
You have zeroed in on our biggest weakness - how we deal with measurement units of artworks. Alas, this is not consistent across all artwork templates! The dimensions field is a free form field for that reason. When we think in painting terms, which are thankfully 2D, there is still a lot of confusion: centimeters or inches? height first or width first? with or without the frame? the depth of the frame - do we want that too? 

In the end, we tend to go with the one with the loudest voice or the one with the largest presence on Commons (um for paintings that might be you). Our problem is that you use adlib and others use emuseum and none of these programs work the same (just like hospital file systems - how to we approach the project of unified medical information?)

Since yesterday we can add units to Wikidata and Maarten Dammers has made some assumptions about how to move forward. We will accept height and width and use qualifiers for "outer" measurements, since it's the "inner" measurements we see most often. You can join this conversation though and I think you should!

So to answer your question, how do you expect your information to appear in the artwork template? Can you link to a Rijksmuseum object on Commons that displays information in the way you expect? If not how would you improve it?

Here is a painting that I was viewing a few minutes ago:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:De_molen_bij_Wijk_bij_Duurstede_Rijksmuseum_SK-C-211.jpeg

Jane

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Lizzy Jongma <L.Jongma@rijksmuseum.nl> wrote:

Dear all,

 

My name is Lizzy Jongma. I am datamanager at the Rijksmuseum and I am currently trying to do a (new) batch upload to Wikimedia Commons with the Batch Upload tool.

We are currently mapping our internal metadata to the GLAMwiki format(s) and as you can all imagine: this always leads to a million questions. I will not send you all a million questions but I would like to send you all this one:

 

These are the dimensions of an object in our collection, written down in Adlib and then exported as XML to our website:

1.  <dimension>

2.  <dimension.notes>

3.  <value lang="0"/>

4.  <value lang="1"/>

5.  </dimension.notes>

6.  <dimension.unit>

7.  <value lang="0">cm</value>

8.  <value lang="1">cm</value>

9.  </dimension.unit>

10.<dimension.value>

11.<value lang="0">379.5</value>

12.<value lang="1">379,5</value>

13.</dimension.value>

14.<dimension.type>

15.<value lang="0">height</value>

16.<value lang="1">hoogte</value>

17.</dimension.type>

18.</dimension>

19.<dimension>

20.<dimension.notes>

21.<value lang="0"/>

22.<value lang="1"/>

23.</dimension.notes>

24.<dimension.unit>

25.<value lang="0">cm</value>

26.<value lang="1">cm</value>

27.</dimension.unit>

28.<dimension.value>

29.<value lang="0">453.5</value>

30.<value lang="1">453,5</value>

31.</dimension.value>

32.<dimension.type>

33.<value lang="0">width</value>

34.<value lang="1">breedte</value>

35.</dimension.type>

36.</dimension>

37.<dimension>

38.<dimension.notes>

39.<value lang="0"/>

40.<value lang="1">gewicht met lijst</value>

41.</dimension.notes>

42.<dimension.unit>

43.<value lang="0">kg</value>

44.<value lang="1">kg</value>

45.</dimension.unit>

46.<dimension.value>

47.<value lang="0">337</value>

48.<value lang="1">337</value>

49.</dimension.value>

50.<dimension.type>

51.<value lang="0">weight</value>

52.<value lang="1">gewicht</value>

53.</dimension.type>

54.</dimension>

55.<dimension>

 

 

(XSLT: And in our web CMS we put this XSLT:

      <!-- dimensions -->

                  <xsl:element name="dcterms:SizeOrDuration">

                             <xsl:text>{{Size|unit=</xsl:text>

                             <xsl:value-of select="dimension/dimension.unit/value[@lang=0]"/>

                             <xsl:apply-templates select="dimension"/>

                             <xsl:text>}}</xsl:text>

                  </xsl:element>

 

      <xsl:template match="dimension">

                  <xsl:text>|</xsl:text>

                  <xsl:value-of select="dimension.type/value[@lang=0]"/>

                  <xsl:text>=</xsl:text>

                  <xsl:value-of select="dimension.value/value[@lang=0]"/>

      </xsl:template>           

)

 

I am currently writing an XSLT stylesheet to transform this XML to the Wikimedia format for documenting Works of Art:

 

Dimensions – dcterms: SizeOrDuration (‘class’) – dimensions

Use Size formatting template: Dimensions of the artwork: 1D (length), 2D (width × height) or 3D (width × height × depth). Please use {{Size}} formatting template, such as:

{{Size|unit=cm|width=76.7|height=83.5}} <— gives Height: 83.5 cm (32.9 in). Width: 76.7 cm (30.2 in).

 

But, as you can see Size only consists of one type of unit and our dimensions consist of two types of units for specific parts.

 

How do I solve this? Repeat dcterms: SizeOrDuration (‘class’) for different units? Ignore units for weights etc?

 

Thanks for your input!

Best wishes

Lizzy Jongma

 

Museumstraat 1

Postbus 74888

1070 DN Amsterdam

 

Rijksmuseum.nl

 

 

t/m 21 sept | Uit en thuis Landschapstekeningen uit de John en Marine van Vlissingen Collectie

t/m 27 sept | New for Now The origin of fashion magazines

t/m 15 november | Dick Bruna. Kunstenaar


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