I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.

But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.

-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:

ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours.
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On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org> wrote:

Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)

Kaldari

On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:

I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this.  Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup.  Thank you, Sue.

~A

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too. Andreas --- On Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47 http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/ A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about. I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me. I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call me a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called. I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up." Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful. <3 -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art and Sarah Stierch Consulting Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising. ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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