Beria - I presume you're asking me?

You shared a post "replying" to Kaldari asking you to explain you think Sue Gardner is a liar.

And The only thing I got out of it is that we have a collection of photographs of men sucking their own penises on Commons.  I was also testing Google - they say that a large amount of visitors read that page a month, and surely most of them probably don't search for "auto-fellatio" when looking for that content of men pleasuring themselves. So, I googled "sucking my own cock" since I presume a lot of men Google that content when trying to figure out how to do so, what it looks like, etc.

When I was in high school boys used to joke about being able to do it. This was before Google existed. So I was just using past experiences to see how someone would stumble across the "auto-fellatio" page without typing "auto-fellatio".

Other than that, I never figured out why you think Sue Gardner is a liar.

I'm laughing that I just re-explained that, heh, but I hope it helps,

-Sarah




On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:
I'm sorry but whatever you took before write that mail I didn't, therefore, I didn't understand a word. Can you explain yourself?
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Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.


On 30 September 2011 14:27, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least this confirms that there are a 14 photos of dudes getting their own rocks off on Commons! Thank god!  (Oh...speaking of permissions...)

You also have to scroll down a bit in Google search before you come across the article after searching "sucking your own cock". The fact that the search finds that page based on one of my favorite films, Clerks, is rather funny.

Wait, where is Sue a liar?

-Sarah




On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html
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Wikimedia Portugal
(351) 963 953 042

Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.


On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Would you like to elaborate?

Ryan Kaldari


On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.

Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there.
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Wikimedia Portugal
(351) 963 953 042

Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.


On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.

But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.

-Sarah


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:
ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours.
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Béria Lima
Wikimedia Portugal
(351) 963 953 042

Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.



On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)

Kaldari


On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this.  Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup.  Thank you, Sue.

~A


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.

Andreas




--- On Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47


http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/


A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.

I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.

I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call me a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.

I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."

Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.

<3

-Sarah



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