On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud@fairpoint.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27, <carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise
>> and
>> get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss
>> whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more
>> appropriate for an article.
>>
>> Hope that also engenders a good laugh....
>>
>> Carol in dc
>>
> It's actually a serious point, though. It would be great to provide
> images for those articles that don't portray women the way certain men
> want to see them portrayed. I recall the Body Shop did that a couple
> of decades ago -- started using images of women that fell outside the
> usual range that tended to be objectified (older, not thin, etc). They
> produced some very good ads as a result. The difficulty for us would
> be in finding those images, then in maintaining them on the pages.
>
> Sarah

The concept of "being objectified" needs to be explained to the community
and incorporated into our style guides. This has to make sense rather
than being misunderstood.

Fred

Absolutely agree, Fred. I was very pleased with the response that I got from my email about the High-heel shoes category. Talking about this topic will ruffle some feather, but it is important and needs to happen.

The issues is complex and feminist have differing views about it. So, we need to take care to discuss it in a way that fairly represents a broad spectrum of view.

But in all cases, women should be given space to speak up when they feel objectified or see it happening to other people. Right now with women in the minority on WMF projects, imo, this is not happening enough.

Sydney

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