Hi Avery,
The form has now been updated. As a mass message was sent, we did not want
to remove it, to avoid a scenario in which someone who is interested in
sign up cannot find the form.
As for the names of supporters for the UG to be recognized by AffCom --
they have not been "removed"; We're in the process of revamping the
UG's
page, and the list of initial supporters will be available in an internal
page soon.
Best,
Shani.
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Shani Evenstein Sigalov
EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School
of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University.
Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation.
Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group.
Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society.
Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda.
+972-525640648
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 9:48 PM Avery Jensen <averydjensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It looks like this form is linked from the front page
of the user group and
it is still collecting personal data. Should it be removed? There are
probably other people who have gotten talk page notifications and are not
on this mailing list.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group
I see also the names of the people who signed up for the project have all
been removed. Maybe this is why I didn't get any board election
notifications from this user group.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_G…
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:50 PM Shani Evenstein <shani.even(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Of course.
Shani.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:48 Andrew Leung, <andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
> When you resend the revised form, can you delete all of the existing
data
> submitted under the previous version to
ensure that unneeded
information
> won't be stored?
>
> Andrew
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Apologies for any typos.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Shani Evenstein <shani.even(a)gmail.com>
> Date: 2018-11-12 1:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Education ML <education(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] join user group without google
>
> Hello all,
>
> There seems to be some misunderstanding --
> * We are recognized by AffCom. The details we requested are for a
future
> option we might want to persue, of
refistering as a charity *outside*
the
> Wikimedia movement.
> * Details are not posted to this mailing list, but rather to a closed
and
private
google form, which is only availabe to 2 people: the membership
admin (Filip) and the chair (me).
* Some details were asked so if we decide to apply to become a charity,
we
> will already have the details; while other details are meant to help us
> connect the right people to the right people, when newcomers approach
us.
> * There is precedent for asking such details
with both chapters & the
> WikiProject Medicine User Group, which is similar in acrivity to our
UG.
> * That said, as this is concerning people,
the board will reconsider
> changing the form. The idea is to make it easy to participate, not
> difficult. If we end up deciding to register as a charity outside the
WM
> Movement, we'll ask for more details.
>
> So stay tuned. Filip will send a new version of the form in the coming
> week.
>
> Best,
> Shani.
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:57 Avery Jensen, <averydjensen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I do not understand why they are asking people for personal data at
all.
>
> The Wikimedia Foundation has requirements for people with access to
> personal information.
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy
> >
> > It looks like they want to apply for official recognition from the
> > affiliations committee. Groups are not required to do this, but it
has
> > some advantages, like using the
trademarks. The application
requires "
two
> primary contacts willing to identify themselves with the Wikimedia
> Foundation."
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups It
> also says if someone wants to form an
official group, they can have
> "Affiliations Committee Liaison support during and after the approval
> process". If that is what they are trying to do, they need to have
some
> advice about starting a group, so they do
not cause the Wikimedia
> Foundation some legal problem.
>
> I would also strongly recommend that people not post their phone
numbers
to
> this list. Unlike the Wikimedia projects, information on a mailing
list
> cannot be removed and is indexed by search
engines.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:59 AM Alexandre Hocquet <
> alexandre.hocquet(a)univ-lorraine.fr> wrote:
>
> > On 12/11/2018 09:36, Ilario Valdelli wrote:
> > > I agree in that point.
> >
> > Although what points Ilario is relevant, my main concern (as Avery
> > points out too) is more the use of Google forms with *mandatory*
fields
> > > to fill than the privacy policy of the user group and/or the
"centre
> for
> > > Internet & society" (although I agree that more clarity on that
point
> might help too)
>
> In short, if applying to membership means compulsory give away of
pieces
> > of information like phone numbers to Google, then I'm not in.
> >
> > Alternatively, if google document it is, then the least would be to
NOT
> > make the fields to fill up mandatory.
> > --
> > ***********************************************
> > Alexandre Hocquet
> >
> > Université de Lorraine & Archives Henri Poincaré
> > Alexandre.Hocquet(a)univ-lorraine.fr
> >
http://poincare.univ-lorraine.fr/fr/membre-titulaire/alexandre-hocquet
>
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