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Thanks for your input Alhen!I understand the biblio's point of view in that teachers should have have a minimum amount of wiki experience before assigning stuff to their students. I have been pushing this to my department and above. For this reason we have been holding lots of training sessions since last summer and just had two last week with the participation 15 or so. This gives teachers a good start in of what Wikipedia is about, but it does not generate a large number of teacher edits right away. One thing we have changed is that teachers must upload an article to complete training, generally a translation. You can see this in the course up right now in the tool https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program:Tec_de_Monterrey,_Campus_Ciudad_de_Mexico/Capacitacion_de_profesores_()On the other hand, I finally got admin interested in Wiki enough to back our program (called Wiki Learning), an incredibly important step as it makes teachers take the idea more seriously. So Im trying to balance es.wiki's needs along with the my school's (and the Ed Program's) desire to expand working with Wikipedia among students. While teachers will not be anywhere near as experienced as I am (or as my fellow project leaders Paolaricaurte and Lourdes Epstein), they do understand the very basics and have the support of experienced students working with Wiki in other capacities (servicio social, becarios, etc) to as in a capacity similar to Campus Ambassadors. As project leader for Wiki Learning, I am responsible for monitoring the teachers, as well as training people to eventually take over that capacity at campuses outside my own.If the biblios decide not to grant the tool, I simply means that I will be creating the classes and depending on what teachers decide (es.wiki or Commons) that can be 40 or more classes. In some ways, it is easier. I can create the classes using systematic names but it will be hell for me for the first week or so. (We never 100% know which classes we have until the first week of the semester, go figure.) Well not quite me alone as Jmvkrecords has already indicated that he will give it to Paolaricaurte.These are major growing pains and granted, a GOOD (as well as unexpected) problem to have.Leigh
From: alhen.wiki@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:22:40 -0400
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] denied access to course extensionI recommend you get a biblio(sysop) involved so he can back you up and help you control the whole projecta and edits. I see the main problem here is that many users will come to edit on es.wiki with little or no experience, and the course coordinator will have the same experience of those who are participating for the first time. Feel free to correct me if I am missing anything.I participated on such discussion about whether to give course coordinator flag to the teachers.The general idea is that they will need someone monitoring their work. Eswiki, as many others I guess, has a long history of students and teachers using the wiki without reading the policies. That said, I understand why they want to take the process as slow as possible. Please, don't take it personal.
Alhen
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https://www.fb.com/wikimediaboliviaThrive, live, and bloom.On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre@hotmail.com> wrote:Ive been told that they are placing the same requirements on the course coordinator flag as they do on all others.. a certain amount of online history with es.wiki. I have made the arguments that you suggest Samir and User:Jmvkrecords has said he will discuss it with other admins (bibliotecarios), but he has stated that the community has the final say.
Question: why is this tool separated under the various language projects? First, this limits the monitoring/documenting to a single language (if students do projects in en.wiki and es.wiki, there needs to be two extensions) and who needs the tool is very different from the others. Why dont we have one course extension that can scrape the data from whatever project students are working on?
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:41:10 +0200
From: selsharbaty@wikimedia.org
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] denied access to course extensionHi Leigh,
To help with your question may I ask you first if there is a local policy for the use of the education extension user rights on the Spanish Wikipedia?
If there is a policy that supports the admin's reply, then unfortunately there will be nothing to do with that.
If the answer is no, then you can reapply on the same page or separately on other adimns talk pages relying on many factors:
1. The ed extension user rights help only with ed program pages and don't give any special rights on the article name space.
2. The use of the ed extension is to help the coordinators and volunteers of the program even if they don't have any edits on Wikipedia.
3. On Wikipedia in other languages, admins don't, usually, apply such requirements on ed user rights. (Please note that the policies of each wiki community may vary from another and they are the only authority on their policies and its application)
I hope this helps with your issue.
Cheers,
Samir Elsharbaty
Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program
Wikimedia Foundation
+2.011.200.696.77
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education.wikimedia.orgOn 15 Dec 2014 19:46, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:Leigh Thelmadatter, 13/12/2014 03:34:
Basically the answer is no. They have to have editing experience and
show that they at least have the ability to speak Spanish and show they
can be good course coordinators.
Did you try asking some more admins (on their talk page) to chime in? Often such request pages are only watched by a small "specialised" group.
Nemo
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