This is also on Phab[0] for longer-term documentation, but I'm copying it here for wider distribution. —Trey *TextCat and Language Detection* Back before the holidays (12/23/2015), Stas and Trey had a conversation on IRC about TextCat and Lang ID. There was lots of good stuff in the conversation, so the main points are summarized here, to record for posterity, and to open them up to further conversation if anyone has any additional ideas. For reference, the main Phab ticket for language ID stuff is T118278: EPIC: Improve Language Identification for use in Cirrus Search[1] *Building Language Models:* It seems like we should try to create language models to cover at least the same set of languages as the original TextCat. The original models were in various encodings, but we’d create (and have created) models in Unicode. In general, we saw better performance doing language detection on queries using models built on queries.[2] If we want to support general language identification, we could also build models based on text from Wikipedia (which we need to do for some languages anyway because the query data is so poor).[3] It’s a relatively straightforward task, compared to getting sufficiently high quality query data.[4] *Using Language Models:* We get the biggest improvement in language detection accuracy (~20% increase in F0.5) from restricting the list of candidate languages based on their individual performance and the distribution of languages we encounter in real life, rather than using all available languages.[2][7] We need our new TextCat to support the ability to specify which models to use.[5] It makes sense to create models based on both query data (if we have it) and general text (from Wikipedia) and make them available, probably through Stas’s PHP version of TextCat on GitHub.[6] Trey will also be putting the Perl version and language models up on GitHub after a bit more cleanup. *Choosing Language Models:* In order to choose which models to use on a particular wiki, we need to sample queries and manually identify the languages represented, and then experimentally determine the best set of language models to use.[8] We will do this for the wikis with the highest query volume, and see how far down the list we have time to work on. For any wikis we don’t get to, we can try using a generic set of languages, or just not do language detection for now, or make general capabilities available as an opt-in feature—though we need to think more carefully about how to handle smaller wikis, especially after we have more experience using TextCat on larger wikis. In addition to evaluation sets for particular wikis, we’re have a task[9] to create a “balanced” set of queries in known languages for top wikis (by query volume) for general evaluation of language models, which can help us determine a generic set of more-or-less reliable languages. (These are smaller sets that let us gauge general performance, but not enough for training language models.) *Updating Language Model Choices: *Trey’s estimate/intuition (which could use some validation) is that the per-wiki language lists would need updating at most once a quarter, though it’s possible that with appropriate metrics we could determine that we needed to do an update by a sudden or sustained gradual decrease in performance. We may need to think this through a bit more carefully, since different update pattern imply different places/ways to store the list of relevant language models. Stas says that quarterly updates are close enough to static to put language lists into some file in the Cirrus source, pretty much like we do with indexing profiles, etc. Alternatively, if updates are more frequent and per-wiki, we could store the list of languages to use in mediawiki-config. [0] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118278#1919183 [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118278 [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:TJones_(WMF)/Notes/Language_Detection_w… <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:TJones_(WMF)/Notes/Language_Detection_with_TextCat> [3] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121545 [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121547, etc. See [1] for more. [5] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121538 [6] https://github.com/smalyshev/textcat [7] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:TJones_(WMF)/Notes/Language_Detection_E… [8] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121541 [9] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121539 Trey Jones Software Engineer, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Stas Malyshev &lt;smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: Hi! I chose PHP format mainly because it's the fastest way to get data into PHP. Converting between TSV and PHP is very easy - lm2php tool converts one way and the other way if we ever want it is similarly trivial. I think we need to think of some way of keeping these modules around that aren't in the source of TextCat, and would be easily modifiable if we want to experiment with them. Not sure yet what is the right place for that. I think for this the textcat repo is the good place. I've already started doing some unit tests there, and we can have the "standard" models and maybe some example queries there. Right now unit tests check that the model identifies the lines from the original file as their original language. We may add more tests like that. Surely. I will also start working on bringing this into the wikimedia framework - making the repo on gerrit, cleaning it up for security review, testing integration with Cirrus, etc. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery