On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 01:40 +0300, Taavi Väänänen wrote: The communications regarding the release so far have been a bit vague, this is the first one in which we aim to add more definition to it. And yes, that means that different people understood different things, sorry for that. I'll let Komla reply about the process of selection of the maintainers, but there's a few goals in mind here: * Feedback on the build process itself * Feedback on migration paths (so we can iterate on adding support for those) * Feedback on other new/unexpected use cases (so we can adapt where the project is going) * Help finding bugs Thanks for the feedback, will do! I'm sad to hear that, we have made a huge effort in the last few quarters to make sure that coordination and decisions are made in the open and collaboratively (two different things). That was one of the main drivers for the Toolforge Workgroup[1], the Toolforge Build Service project page[2], and the phabricator board[3] with iterations on it. The only communication specific to this project that currently happens in private (that I'm aware of) is the bi-weekly sync meeting, in which we decide the tasks each will take for the next iteration, and then is reflected publicly on the project board. We can consider opening it for anyone if you are interested. Any major decision made has been going through the public decision request process[4], and minor decisions are either directly on-task or on code review. There's also twice a week "co-working space" meeting that is mostly to pair on a specific issue or just hang out in a video call, it's more of a social space than technical one, if you want to join you are more than welcome to, just let me know and I'll send an invite. This one is not related to the project though. The use of slack channels has been reduced to daily syncs, that we are working on moving to IRC soon enough (I raised it a couple team meetings back[5]), but want to avoid the noise on the main channel, so will have to figure out an alternative. That one is not specific to the project either, and not everyone gives updates, it's a voluntary "I'm doing this today, I need help with that" daily message. If there's any particular decision you think you were left out of, please share and we'll figure out a way to make them more accessible. Everyone makes mistakes, the important part is that we continue trying to fix them. [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/Admin/Workgroup [2] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/Ongoing_Efforts/Toolfo… [3] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/5596/ [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/cloud_services_proposals/ [5] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WMCS-2023-05-03

On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 18:18 +0300, Taavi Väänänen wrote: Done :) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oVCRlctENWp_kaCLDTuVg7qU4rtnsCCxvGG23Jw… Though the idea was to add the noes in the page (did not get to it yet): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oVCRlctENWp_kaCLDTuVg7qU4rtnsCCxvGG23Jw… We started (but stopped by mistake) to put it in the wiki, where it should have been: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/Ongoing_Efforts/Toolfo… Note that anything noted there was added after the decisions were made public. There was not really a common decision made, just communicated to the rest of us and shared both in the toolforge build sync, and the following toolforge workgroup meeting (where you were also).

Hi Taavi, So far, the selected users I've reached out to are maintainers who have their tools sorted in the "Needs Custom Image" column(excluding those needing multistack support)on the grid migration project board[0]. In this next phase, we are slowly expanding the selected users from the hundreds of tools that are still in the 'Backlog' column on the migration board, with emphasis on the ones maintaining Python tools. The goal is to inform them that there is one more lever available to them for their migration needs and also to let them start getting familiar with the tool they will probably have to use to migrate. [0]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/grid-engine-to-k8s-migration/ On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:40 PM Taavi Väänänen <hi(a)taavi.wtf> wrote: